SL Discussion: Diversity

[9:44] Pose Ball: LincolnLog Rokocoko, say 'Hide' to hide me, or 'Show' to make me show. Or just right-click and sit on me to use me.
[9:45] No room to sit here, try another spot.
[9:45] LincolnLog Rokocoko: good slightly-before-noon
[9:46] You: yes, what a gorgeous day
[9:46] LincolnLog Rokocoko: is it a diverse day?
[9:46] You: We have quite opposite apporaches to facial hair
[9:46] You: our hair is diverse
[9:46] doolie Wycliffe: hello!
[9:47] LincolnLog Rokocoko: i can't really see yours
[9:47] LincolnLog Rokocoko: is that a flava sava
[9:47] LincolnLog Rokocoko: ?
[9:47] doolie Wycliffe: what's a flava sava
[9:47] You: I've been bald for a couple decades now
[9:47] LincolnLog Rokocoko: a soul patch
[9:47] You: no no
[9:47] LincolnLog Rokocoko: oh
[9:47] LincolnLog Rokocoko: lol
[9:47] LincolnLog Rokocoko: maybe you just need a napkin
[9:47] You: Many of the leaders I've followed have been bald.
[9:47] You: HEY
[9:47] LincolnLog Rokocoko: haha
[9:48] LincolnLog Rokocoko: ghandi?
[9:48] doolie Wycliffe: leadership and diversity
[9:48] You: NO, but greatly influenced by many meditative traditions.
[9:48] You: Zen in particular
[9:48] LincolnLog Rokocoko: buhdda
[9:49] You: Though I'm white, many who I have followed are not white
[9:49] LincolnLog Rokocoko: i dont know how to spell budda
[9:49] You: buddha
[9:49] LincolnLog Rokocoko: right
[9:49] LincolnLog Rokocoko: i know theres an h in there somehwere
[9:49] Latte Littlething: Bonjour
[9:49] doolie Wycliffe: haha
[9:49] doolie Wycliffe: hola
[9:49] You: when you think of diversity, is race the first thing that comes to mind?
[9:49] doolie Wycliffe: i htink culture
[9:49] LincolnLog Rokocoko: truthfully yes
[9:49] Latte Littlething: No, individuality and expression comes to mind
[9:50] LincolnLog Rokocoko: but i definitely dont think it should be
[9:50] doolie Wycliffe: which includes race
[9:50] Latte Littlething: No
[9:50] You: yeah, thats interesting
[9:50] Latte Littlething: culture involves expression, not race
[9:50] doolie Wycliffe: yes but much of our culture comes from our ethnic backgrounds
[9:50] You: Are leaders subject to the same stereotyping tendencies that most people succumb to?
[9:50] doolie Wycliffe: not all but there are things
[9:50] Latte Littlething: But I was more referring to the pursuit of passions
[9:51] You: leaders are defnitely passionate
[9:51] You: that is one thing that unifies the diversity of leaders
[9:52] You: Do you think leaders generally influence a single demographic?
[9:52] You: a group similar to themselves?
[9:52] doolie Wycliffe: no
[9:52] Latte Littlething: Yes, but inducing the pursuit of individual passions of the crew, recognizing them as individuals and accepting the diversity among them creates a feeling of community, one of the most important factors for exploration and discovery
[9:52] You: Yes recognizing diversity can be very empowering
[9:53] You: it is bad if we ignore our individuality
[9:53] doolie Wycliffe: wait yes to a group similar to ourselves in some ways
[9:53] You: we must know ourselves to lead
[9:53] doolie Wycliffe: depending on beliefs and culture as a way of life
[9:53] Latte Littlething: and a captain may preserve this diversity by respecting his crew's beliefs
[9:53] doolie Wycliffe: yes but if his views differ he should not conform
[9:54] You: and there is a delicate balance between perceiving the beliefs of others and projecting our own beliefs onto them.
[9:54] You: especially in instances involving disparate cultures
[9:54] Latte Littlething: Precisely, social standards should never factor into pursuit of passion
[9:54] Latte Littlething: or obstruct it
[9:54] doolie Wycliffe: what would you define as culture?
[9:54] doolie Wycliffe: the way of life? the language? the religious beliefs?
[9:54] You: I was trying to find a word to sum up disparate bacgrounds...
[9:54] Latte Littlething: I found a way for my interets to correspond with my work during the war that paved the way for my explorations later in life.
[9:55] You: culture entails a shared use of symbols
[9:55] Latte Littlething: Yes, a common feeling, experience, ideology
[9:55] You: some unity that allows a group to perceive themselves as related
[9:55] LincolnLog Rokocoko: sorry my mind shut down for a minute
[9:55] LincolnLog Rokocoko: lol
[9:55] LincolnLog Rokocoko: I've got to catch up
[9:56] You: a leader must
[9:56] doolie Wycliffe: as a christian leader i would influence other christians, but perhaps not all the same people from the same regions
[9:56] Latte Littlething: I once used the book 20,000 leagues under the sea as a common experience with which to unify my crew
[9:56] LincolnLog Rokocoko: can someone sum up what has been said. what conclusions have been arrived upon?
[9:56] You: what do you mean? christians from a broad area? or christians inconcentrated areas?
[9:56] doolie Wycliffe: especially in america where there are so many different religions in the same areas
[9:57] Latte Littlething: A bit of culture to which everyone could relate
[9:57] You: so selectively influence within a broad culture?
[9:57] doolie Wycliffe: christians all over the world
[9:57] You: do you think this makes christians diverse?
[9:58] Latte Littlething: Lincoln, we are talking about culture and religion, how they influence a leader and his mission
[9:58] You: the fact that they are spread across the world
[9:58] You: It is important to find a way to UNIFY.
[9:58] LincolnLog Rokocoko: thanks
[9:58] You: unity is som important, coherence of messsage.
[9:58] doolie Wycliffe: well my point was that its hard to define culture because sometimes you include religion and sometimes you dont as well as other things
[9:58] LincolnLog Rokocoko: what are some things that everyone shares
[9:59] LincolnLog Rokocoko: ?
[9:59] Latte Littlething: childhood
[9:59] doolie Wycliffe: needs
[9:59] You: right. so lets just call culture a group with some shared symbols
[9:59] LincolnLog Rokocoko: growth in general
[9:59] Latte Littlething: As I mentioned before, childhood is a fantastic way to unify a crew
[9:59] LincolnLog Rokocoko: intellectual needs, need to be loved and to love
[9:59] You: childhood?
[9:59] LincolnLog Rokocoko: what are some others?
[9:59] Latte Littlething: It is a common experience
[10:00] LincolnLog Rokocoko: religion can provide these
[10:00] You: do you find diversity within your crews?
[10:00] LincolnLog Rokocoko: and culture
[10:00] Latte Littlething: love
[10:00] Latte Littlething: passion for living
[10:00] Latte Littlething: passion for exploration
[10:00] LincolnLog Rokocoko: a need of belonging
[10:00] Latte Littlething: discovery
[10:00] doolie Wycliffe: expression of emotions
[10:00] Latte Littlething: Yes, all these things are ideas which people of all backgrounds can relate to
[10:01] You: inherent human qualities.
[10:01] You: but we are conditioned by the culture we live in as well
[10:01] LincolnLog Rokocoko: i think discovery can be of the world or within one's self
[10:01] Latte Littlething: yes!
[10:01] LincolnLog Rokocoko: we are definitely conditioned by culture
[10:01] You: internal discovery can certainly be alife long endeavor
[10:01] Latte Littlething: And discovery of others!
[10:01] doolie Wycliffe: yes and i think it is important to learn about others cultures
[10:02] doolie Wycliffe: but without having to believe in the same thigns
[10:02] You: learning about ourselvles enhances our ability to learn about otherse
[10:02] LincolnLog Rokocoko: i think it is important to think about the underlying motivations for people, despite the culture theyare from
[10:02] You: how do we do that?
[10:02] doolie Wycliffe: observation?
[10:02] LincolnLog Rokocoko: everyone has an unconscious i beleive
[10:02] doolie Wycliffe: contact with other peoples
[10:02] You: how do we separate their underlying motiviations from the culture that has conditioned them?
[10:02] doolie Wycliffe: get to know them?
[10:02] You: I agree
[10:02] LincolnLog Rokocoko: and basic primitive drives
[10:03] You: and there is collective unconscious as well
[10:03] LincolnLog Rokocoko: connect everything we do to these drives and you can transcent cultural boundaries i think
[10:03] Latte Littlething: doolie: culture is an integral part of who we are as individuals. recognizing the culture within each person makes a leader more influential, as he develops a relationship with his crew
[10:03] You: get to know them?
[10:03] Latte Littlething: collective unconcious?
[10:03] doolie Wycliffe: as in know people better. really listen and learn
[10:03] You: there is no context outside of contexts... we cannot remove a person from culture
[10:04] LincolnLog Rokocoko: really listen
[10:04] LincolnLog Rokocoko: listen subjectively
[10:04] LincolnLog Rokocoko: actively making connections that are not said
[10:04] You: yes, that's true. subjectively. do you think we can "break past" cultural conditioners?
[10:04] Latte Littlething: A leader who is personable, meaning one who listens, truly listens, is able to inspire an "esprit de corps" spirit of the body
[10:04] You: so beyond verbal
[10:05] doolie Wycliffe: you can recognize the culture within each person, but letting yourself be swayed by every culture would compromise yourself as a leader in a way
[10:05] Latte Littlething: Yes, through the unifying passion for exploration sprinkles
[10:05] doolie Wycliffe: a leader should stick with what they believe
[10:05] You: can we truly listed (understand) someone without the same symbol systems as we have
[10:06] LincolnLog Rokocoko: it is difficult
[10:06] You: doolie?
[10:06] doolie Wycliffe: ?
[10:06] LincolnLog Rokocoko: that is where cultural boundaries compicate things
[10:06] You: unwavering leadership?
[10:06] You: noc ompromise?
[10:06] You: compromise?
[10:06] doolie Wycliffe: compromise as in
[10:07] You: how does compromise relate to diversity?
[10:07] Latte Littlething: yes, symbols become irrelevant under the fundamentals of life
[10:07] Latte Littlething: and living
[10:07] LincolnLog Rokocoko: if your leadership is only valued by a specific culture, who is truely leadership?
[10:07] You: it seems like unifying diversit requires some compromise
[10:08] doolie Wycliffe: okay like for example politicians who vote against homosexual rights yet practice homosexuality have compromised what they SAID they believe
[10:08] LincolnLog Rokocoko: it's using a particular cultural tradition to your advantage
[10:08] You: I think your leadership can be recognized by other cultures
[10:08] You: even if its influece was not as strong on that culture
[10:08] LincolnLog Rokocoko: i think by doing that a leader is rejecting other cultures
[10:08] doolie Wycliffe: leadership can definitly be recognized by other cultures
[10:08] Latte Littlething: At least respected, and that is the key to understanding
[10:08] You: yes respect.
[10:08] Latte Littlething: and building a relationship
[10:09] LincolnLog Rokocoko: good leadership can, thats my point
[10:09] You: thats true, we must respect others to build relationships.
[10:09] Latte Littlething: what is "good leadership" lincoln?
[10:09] You: part of respecting others is respecting yourself.
[10:09] LincolnLog Rokocoko: if a leader is only a leader in a particular niche he/she is not truely a leader
[10:09] Latte Littlething: and recognizing the passion within
[10:09] You: hmmmmm...
[10:09] Latte Littlething: and pursuing it regardless of social standards
[10:09] LincolnLog Rokocoko: a leader's characteristics are universal
[10:09] You: but everyone is in a particualr niche
[10:10] You: no one incorporates all contexts
[10:10] Latte Littlething: Nice talking with you all.
[10:10] doolie Wycliffe: yeah
[10:10] You: strenth comes from acknowledging your context
[10:10] Latte Littlething: Esprit de corps, remember
[10:10] Latte Littlething: spirit of the body
[10:10] You: THANKS GUYS
[10:10] LincolnLog Rokocoko: everyone one should incorporate allcontexts
[10:11] LincolnLog Rokocoko: connect!
[10:11] LincolnLog Rokocoko: good talk
[10:11] doolie Wycliffe: haha